I hope you are right about this. In this day and age, no one wants to get their name caught in the tangled web. Time for some more sacred cows to get smashed. Things are starting to get ugly. By your own philosophy of hugging then i would assume that the women who are complaining about Hybels hugging behavior also know the difference and therefore they are utterly correct in their objections to his behavior. No idea the the Bible says, Do the work of an evangelist!. The Eurythmics. of Poor Poor Innocent Victim of Wicked Stepmother, then hit the detonator (after those several years of setting the charges) at his own wedding, when he invited her (and the rest of the family). Do you believe it is someone posing as her, or do you think she is in on it? Perhaps its just honest ignorance, perhaps its denial. Sounds like at least some of the accusers would like to see justice for sure, but also redemption for even Hybels. Now the manipulation continues as the abused who have raised their voices are abused yet again. He didnt seem to follow Yahwehs rules much anyway. Instead of turning the other cheek or choosing kindness in the midst of your disappointment, I see anger and a willingness to hurt other people. My bad for not being back in touch with you. Nothing more. (2) A face-to-face conversation with Bill Hybels on April 6th. By . Like the real estate/mortgage broker years ago who the day before the search warrant came down, backed up an industrial shredder van to their office for an all-day shred-everything party. WITCHES! I would not attend a church where I knew the pastor behaved like that. For many years, they were THE place when on job hunt. there was no hostile work environment attached. Membership Covenants 4 unwanted extended hugs (thats including Nancy Ortbergs latest revelation). In her statement Monday, Niequist said she remains "in relationship with my dad." "I love him, & I always will. @ Davis and Natasha: They gain influence or trust first and then use that as cover for another manipulation agenda. Just wondering??? Then Simon Peter, who had a sword, drew it and struck the high priests servant, cutting off his right ear. Lets put all our conjecture up about the retracted affair as well. AFAIK they havent yet made any corrections or denials. Emily McFarlan Miller. Example, why did you agree in front of everyone to stay after everyone they all left,you idiot. The next time you make a blanket statement about what the Bible says, pause, think about it, Google and find some help for these difficult concepts. Think about it. It does not promise moonlight, roses and a string quartet. Perhaps its just honest ignorance, perhaps its denial. They were belittled and mocked if they tried to set boundaries or said they preferred not to be hugged. And every word in it, every allegation, is completely irrelevant to the issues that forced Bill Hybels into an early retirement. And my guess is the elders dont know either. @ #UnbiblicalPaths: As a consequence, I would urge caution in using thw word heresy with respect to this particular topic. I understand why comments are moderated Im not criticizing. Is this a ruse to further that idea? I will tell you that the deception factor and the manipulation that went on with mega church staff is why I am not very understanding about anything that happens in them. Sometimes theyre letting you know who theyve really been followingand who they havent been. So what favor did he do you (that you did not tell me about) that made him think that you owed him? Boundaries, anyone? Since there's been no follow-up on their proposed Sunday morning mention of Hybels, it's safe to assume that multiple sources have told them that they made a grievous error to even suggest such a disgusting gesture. However, there are a couple of things we cannot judge and this is what I believe what Scripture is talking about. This has been going on for a long time, and he has had much time to process this, and as he said, he has been accountable, at least after he let go of his anger, to the elders. I wonder if he knows? The strength and impact of Nancy Beachs and Vonda Dyers words remain, thankfully. (My roommate confirmed with the Tribune) When I got to the room, Bill had wine opened and waiting. We cant imagine the immensity of it all. You know, Bill Hybels for two decades or more promoted himself as the one with a system that would revolutionize the church and make it relevant. CHICAGO (RNS) Willow Creek Community Church still grappling with former senior pastor Bill Hybels' history of alleged sexual harassment and abuse of power now . Obviously very biblically ignorant site!! So sad. (I do think that helped me collect the red flags sooner, though). Adults need to Stop being snookered by totalitarian niceness. I found Jodie Walle comments very interesting, and did help me to understand the culture. To choose to continue to take a medication in spite of those side effects, when there are so many other sleep aids available, makes no sense. No wonder you have no qualms about slamming the Church, the bride of Christ. Nancy had no idea that he was doing this to other women. The scripture I quoted was word for word out of the bible. The creep factor never ceases to amaze me. But it is also more than ethics here. I also took 3 years of Biblical Hebrew and 4.5 years of Koine Greek thats NT greek. I saw this in mega churches and just about every secular organization I was in. - @ jackie: I can assure her that never once was I assaulted, harassed etc. Nothing really bad happened. I sat on a committee for two years which did nothing but brainstorm ways to increase retention rates and decrease progression time through our programsour biggest nightmare was the student who didnt get connected to some group, we knew they were likely to get lonely, drop out, go back to their hometown and become a settled-in townie. Wouldnt a practice of permanently deleting emails create potential legal liability for the person and the institution? Is it that tough for you to give Bill Hybels any redeeming value? Most common reaction in the world. That group togetherness thing costs big time. One thing Im certain of, Bill Hybels would NEVER have hired men like Paul or Peter to be teaching pastors at Willow. How would it be possible to remain as a staff member and not address the issue? has been proclaimed against the Devil and his Witches. Glad I found that out. These things seem like nitpicking until you have more information. Anyone who says otherwise or who tries to slam someone for not telling immediately just doesnt know what theyre talking about. WHAT EVIDENCE? Shameful! But then, Im just The Crazy Kid, and hes always been the Sweet Little Angel. Ephesians 4:2 That is not old school. She felt even more blessed when in 1985 Mr. Hybels and his wife invited her to move into their home, where she shared family dinners and vacations. You think you know yet you dont. Then read the story of Phillip and the Ethiopian Eunuch. They dont feel like telling anyone, just swallow it and hold it in. Plus overtones of the old attorneys way to defend against a rape charge: Discredit the Victim making the accusation. I will keep the website updated. Thanks, Julie! Was Hybels intimating that The Ambien made me do it? Read this account posted by Vonda Dyer. Good Lord! 18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. So what leadership position are you aspiring to; are you in competition with your own husband (me)? It may not be what everyone wants, even if it is innocent. Russ Moore agrees with you. If you have to go along with the silliness (never with evil) make sure you are being paid. Good point. I dont have to be a fan of Nancy Ortberg to take her testimony seriously. Unfortunately, this particular scandal not only impacts specific Willow Creek pastors or employees it impacts the body of Christ and the thousands of people seeking to know Jesus. The works of an evangelist is to call people to Jesus. Or, this particular post on my research blog might be of note the Pyramid of Abuse and Culpability/Complicity. https://spiritualsoundingboard.com/2018/04/12/resource-bibliography-on-willow-creek-church-situation-and-bill-hybels-reported-misconduct/. Jesus was a grand act to follow, and the disciples did it right. I was deeply wounded and deeply burdened with guilt and self anger. I get Im not welcome here. Lynne Hybels did not respond to messages seeking comment. I cant help but see your point here. Having seen some of the comments by WCC supporters left at TWW, I can imagine the pressure and pain that she has had to face with her account. Yet, if this person is free to say what was done by J Ortberg and offer her (non-intimidated, threatened) perspective on it, how can she conflate that with others coming forward to offer a perspective on their experience? The Holy Spirit, as Dee correctly said, does the work. Was it addressed and ignored by the elders? Tried to handle it internally. He has two children with his wife, Lynn whom he married in 1974. However, there is HUGH group think/peer pressure to go with the flow and do not rock the boat, by questioning things. 2022 Special Gift: As a token of God's faithfulness in his life, his family and ministry, all these . Its a good time to focus on Jesus, not on any leader, which is misguided faith in the first place. Ah, the broad-brush accusation of slamming the Church when actions of their leadership are called into question. Ive been wondering if church leaders with abusive pastors have become convinced (or have convinced themselves) that, 1) Sexual misconduct is somehow rampant among charismatic pastors Our job is to call. He told me to sit down and put my feet up. The Eleven and Jesus followers went on to be faithful in following their Lord in establishing the Church by the power of the Holy Spirit. I say we are. Its the evil person who masquerades as a good person. More than we know. Millions of dollars all. It is now obvious to me why Ortberg not only believed the accounts of the other victims but why she advocated for them. The term sometimes used is secure email. Bill Hybels has stepped down. The fact that people post here and not just give up on the church and Christainty gives me great comfort the NT clearly warns of false profits amoung the brethern and clearly teaches we should have qualified leaders. At least you know what they are upfront . So sad. They are pits of mass deception and subterfuge. Narcissistic, abusive leaders are masterful manipulators, and even the most intelligent, cynical, questioning people can be taken under their spell without knowing it has happened. Very sad indeed. Maybe hes just old. No wonder you have no qualms about slamming the Church, the bride of Christ. This is church. I bought pants, shirts, belts and sweaters and you picked what you wanted and paid me for those items. I was contemplating a megachurch model the other day where teaching pastors had term limits or rotating speakers. Im not convinced that his view of hell can be called heresy. I know men who are capable of hugging without copping a feel ? Why not go public 4 years ago?? I am still looking for the benefit to Nancy or the others for speaking upat all. I dont know what mainstream is for this topic. I hope that you are correct that what was stated by Jodi Walle is not true. @ Davis and Natasha: And you re-evaluate. Bill Hybels confessed a few years ago that WC had made a mistake by not encouraging church members to read their Bibles and mature spiritually. Lawrence Krauss is a famous atheist and liberal crusader and, in certain whisper networks, a well-known problem, according to author Peter Aldhous, in his article on *BuzzFeed*. I have said his actions with women have been wrong and they are disqualifying for a man of the Gospel. Bars Hennessey series is excellent. That isnt what I was talking about and I should have clarified. * Scripture does not discuss it that way. He is the founding and former senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Illinois, one of the most attended churches in North America, with an average attendance of nearly 24,000 as of late 2018. Because your mind tells you this particular man YOU KNOW would never so you must be misjudging. Parallel universe I suppose; different set of rules most likely. (Likewise, it seems that women did not have clarity about reportable behaviors and were expected to handle it on their own.). Once again, you are doing Satans work not Gods. Our job is to sow seeds. Hybels led many. Children The couple has two children. There is really not a comparison to what the two men did. Should Christians be carrying around tally sheets-How many did I lead to Christ this week? I am all for systemic analysis and the big-picture view. Some will sadly never make the decision to follow Christ. 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